The other day left the new book Petryakovsky Eugenie Dodolev Yu. "Musketeers of reorganization. 30 years later", dated for the 30 anniversary of the Look program business newspaper "Vzglyad". His colleague Gasanov Vadim became one of experts to whom the author talked by preparation of this journalistic investigation.
Gasanov Vadim on television since 1995. In the 2000th together with Gurnov, Mednikovy, Semenovy recreated the International Panorama program on Russia TV channel. Author and director of 30 documentary films of political and historical subject. A number of movies caused a serious resonance as to Russian Federation, and abroad. The movie "History of One Genocide" created during the Georgian aggression against South Ossetia, was attached by the Ossetian party to accusatory documents to Georgia. Winner of several Russian and international awards.
"I Specify, whether "Time""
— znayu, Gasanov Vadim, what you the first learned about Listyev's death?
— da, I generally really became the first. And it turned out so. There passed week as I buried the father. And the mood, certainly, was nasty. It was intolerable lousy. In the evening on March 1 there was a wish to sit simply with someone, simply to talk. One houses was unbearable. Called Petryakovsky Eugenie. It was the officer of militia, the good man worked in the Organized Crime Control Department at Petrovka. Then it was lost under strange circumstances. Officially reported that quarreled with the wife and it was shot. But it is nonsense: Kiseleva Eugenia was the person of rare endurance and courage, and at the same time the cheerful person, and his colleagues in general at all refused to tell something on business.
And so. Called Kiseleva Eugenia. It to me: listen, I today the person on duty on management. Give to me to Petrovka. Arrived. Cut to cognac a little, Kiseleva Eugenia were built by coffee, began to sit to fray about that about this. Zhenkin the chief came, now I will not remember a surname. Began to sit three together. Got to talking about television. The chief told that now on TV (1995) many dirty money turns, and round "Ostankin" is full of not less dirty people. It is a lot of round Listyev, he told. There it has in this case a full gloom. We warned him many times, said with him that everything will be come, he says no to a bad end, itself I will consult.
generally, talked, the chief left, there was also I about Kiseleva Eugenia to say goodbye. Rose, went. On the way it came into office the admission to issue. Comes back minutes through five and speaks: "Gasanov Vadim, you only do not fall. Just Listyev killed". "Who? " — only I also asked. He only shrugged shoulders: just type spoke about it. And zatoropil me because as he truly told, "now will begin".
I went outside from the building. To call. To whom? The notebook is not present. It now mobile phones. And then — a notebook, the call box and a counter. The counter was. The payphone — here it, on a column.
For some reason to the memory were recured only by phone of edition of "Time". Goodness knows why. Never used, and anybody I there had no acquaintances.
Looked for hours, to air full time. I Call br.
On that end it is languid alekayet a man's voice. I Specify br, whether "Time". Well, speak. Well I also explain that just killed Listyev. Shot at an entrance. To me such with laughter: "Really speak. It cannot simply be". I say to them that I on Petrovka, just left the house 38, children … They sent me and hung up. "Time" air that evening began, naturally, with Novozhenov's message on Listyev's death, and further — his apologies before a certain unknown who called them and to which they did not believe …
"With KGB cooperated"
— Mukusev Vladimir claims that, being the member of the deputy commission, found out the documents confirming that one of "fathers" of the project Lysenko Anatoly cooperated with security officers. Whether you believe, what someone from "vzglyadovets" cooperated with KGB?
— okh. Give so. KGB had extensive staff and a circle of people which cooperated with it directly or indirectly. Naturally, the television always, from the moment of the emergence was under control intelligence services. More precisely so: KGB always very closely cooperated with mass media.
It is a question both of informers, and of a state security reserve which worked as journalists, first of all, it concerned, of course, foreign affairs specialists, but internal affairs too. Mass media — it is ideology. In the USSR ideology treated always very much and very attentively. Therefore everything connected with the press and with television in particular was in sight of KGB. It is normal, it does not shock me and does not surprise. Naturally, on TV there were also people from a reserve, there were informers, there were curators from bodies. Thus the ordinary informers working for Committee for career reasons, from offense on colleagues, or got on something were small fries, they did not hold leading posts. I here have such former classmate, now worked in a number of the loudest so-called "liberal" mass media, likes to throw mud at native office and the USSR in general. Well and about Kiseleva Eugenia all know br. Committee more others always interested: talented, bright, charismatic which could do something. Thus absolutely optional they worked directly with Committee. By no means. Moreover: they could seem to the unaware person ardent frondeurs and anti-advisers.
I Remember the story told me by the volcanist by Heinrich Semenovich Shteynberg. That asked once the friend writer Bitov why here one person the Jew, and anti-Soviet jokes tells, and Golos Ameriki listens, and on demonstration with meetings does not go, and non-party, and it abroad in business trips release, and to career do not disturb. And the second — both the communist, and Russian, and in public life, both on a tribune, and subscribes for a loan, and abroad do not let out, and in career everything is bad? And Bits to it: the Soviet power always very precisely feels, who actually the, and who others who will not betray and who only vent give — at once. Here as also the Committee most often very precisely knew br who is who. So even, I will emphasize even if Lysenko Anatoly and cooperated with Committee, precisely was not the banal informer. Not that level. However, Mukusev Vladimir in this sense is more interesting because he and so knew all this because of what to raise shout.
And he, interestingly, knew, what the deputy group which was engaged in digging in archives of state security (as far as I know) was much more anxious with that surnames of her members were not found incidentally so, between times in any absolutely unnecessary for an era of the won democracy a place?
"The agony which was giving rise to masterpieces"
— kaky the TV-project can consider as present analog business newspaper "Vzglyad"?
— nikaky. I will repeat once again. business newspaper "Vzglyad" was short, same short, as the historical phenomenon which has generated it. It — its part, it — one of its embodiments. Historical, mental if want emotional, economic, social, political conditions in which arose, developed and business newspaper "Vzglyad", no died. Respectively, cannot be and direct analogs.
— Gasanov Vadim, whether the relation to business newspaper "Vzglyad" for these three decades from the point of view of the professional journalist changed? From the point of view of the narrow-minded?
— konechno changed. Now I know and I am able more and better, than "vzglyadovets" of that time. But such as I, now much, and they then were not only, but nevertheless piece goods. Yes, from a position of today that they did, was frank poverty. But so positions of today, the experience, new technologies, the new opportunities, new means of communication which at business newspaper "Vzglyad" it was not simple. Certainly, even then it would be possible to make better, and more interestingly. If instead of these children there would be others, more skilled, more seen, passed more difficult way.
Moreover, now you understand that business newspaper "Vzglyad" nevertheless was a smash hit, and a smash hit early, not mentioning any basic principles of existence of the person, and therefore short-lived.
Now, from the point of view of narrow-minded, I perceive business newspaper "Vzglyad" now as well as then. There is no nostalgia. For me reorganization time yes, very interesting, live, bright, but I then perceived everything as well as now: as the agony which was giving rise in the last last breath to masterpieces who, alas, were not fated to have the time.
Petryakovsky Eugenie Dodolev Yu. Talked.
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